Who should Lead Salah and the meeting of the 3 shuyookh- bin baz, albani and uthaymeen

بِسۡمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

Hadith Riyad-as-salihin 348:

وعن أبي مسعود عقبة بن عمرو البدري الأنصاري رضي الله عنه قال‏:‏ قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏:‏ ‏"‏يؤم القوم أقرؤهم لكتاب الله، فإن كانوا في القراءة سواء، فأعلمهم بالسنة، فإن كانوا في السنة سواء، فأقدمهم هجرة، فإن كانوا في الهجرة سواء، فأقدمهم سنًا، ولا يؤمن الرجل الرجل في سلطانه، ولا يقعد في بيته على تكرمته إلا بإذنه‏"‏ ‏(‏‏(‏رواه مسلم‏)‏‏)‏‏.‏
وفي رواية له‏:‏ ‏"‏فأقدمهم سلمًا‏"‏ بدل ‏"‏سنًا‏"‏ ‏:‏ أو إسلامًا‏.‏
وفي رواية‏:‏ يؤم القوم أقرؤهم لكتاب الله، وأقدمهم قراءة، فإن كانت قراءتهم فيؤمهم أقدمهم هجرة، فإن كانوا في الهجرة سواء، فليؤمهم أكبرهم سنًا‏"‏‏.‏

Abu Mas'ud 'Uqbah bin 'Amr Al-Badri Al-Ansari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "The person who is best versed in the recitation of the Book of Allah, should lead the prayer; but if all those present are equally versed in it, then the one who has most knowledge of the Sunnah; if they are equal in that respect too, then the one who has emigrated (to Al-Madinah) first, if they are equal in this respect also, then the oldest of them. No man should lead another in prayer where the latter has authority, or sit in his house, without his permission".
[Muslim].
In another narration in Muslim: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "One who is senior most in accepting Islam, should lead the Salat (prayer)".

Yet another narration is: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "A man who is well versed in the Book of Allah and can recite it better, should lead the Salat (prayer); if (all those present) are equal in this respect, then the man who is senior most in respect of emigration, if they are equal in that respect too, then the oldest of them should lead the prayer".
[Muslim].


1. Quran: Sometimes it is very difficult to determine who  know the Quran Most. None among us are Hafidhul Quran
2. Sunnah: Sunnah is not just remembering meaning of the Hadith, but memorizing the same way it has been Narrated by Prophet (saw).
When 3 shuyookh- bin baz, albani and uthaymeen met for Haj it was requested to Albani (rah) to lead the Salah as he memorized lot of Hadith
3. Hijrah (I don't think we have someone who did Hijrah)
4. The final one is Age and this is crystal clear and obvious.
There is another Hadith which speaks on acknowledging Right of the Oldest.

Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Anyone who does not show mercy to our children nor acknowledge the right of our old people is not one of us."
Sahih (Al-Albani)
 Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 353
Imam Bukhkhari Rahimahullah has included a chapter in his collection Adab-al Mufrad on The Elderly  http://sunnah.com/adab/18



Shaykh Albaani (rahimahullah), Shaykh Ibn Baaz (rahimahullah) and Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (rahimahullah)

Imagine those three meeting in one place!
It was the Hajj season and the last year that al-Albaani performed Hajj.

Ibn Baaz was the Amir of the gathering.

Questions were asked and Ibn Baaz was receiving them.

If the question related to a matter in Fiqh he referred it to Ibn Uthaymeen.

If it was related to an issue in Hadith he referred it to al-Albaani.

And if the question related to a subject in Belief then Ibn Baaz himself answered.

And we were waiting to see who would lead in salat Thuhr?!
We were in Minna. Who is to lead in Thuhr?!
Ibn Baaz said to Albaani: (listen carefully ya Shabaab!)
"Step forward ya Abu Abdurrahman and lead us in salah, you are our Imaam!"
"No, no, no... You are our Shaykh" so said Albaani to Ibn Baaz in reply.

Albaani: "No, no.. You are our Shaykh! You are our Shaykh!"
Ibn Baaz: "No, no! We are all equal in Quran and you are the most knowledgable of us in the Hadith of the Prophet of Allah"
"Step forward ya Abu Abdurrahman!"
Allaah!
So al-Albaani moved forward, (listen carefully ya Shabaab!)
He then turned back towards Ibn Baaz and asked: "Our Shaykh!"
"Do I lead people in salah according to the way of the Prophet or should I shorten it?"
Ibn Baaz replied to Albaani: "Pray the salah of the Prophet,
"Teach us ya Shaykh! Teach us how the Prophet performed his salah!"
See the Adab?! Ibn Baaz telling Albaani to 'Teach us ya Shaykh!'
This is Adab among the Scholars, my Brothers!
These are the Akhlaaq of the Scholars.

قبل عام من الآن مرت بي قصة تعرض لها أحد كتاب منتديات ملتقى أهل الحديث، و هي القصة التي يرويها و يحكي تفاصيلها محمد حسان في شريط فيديو مبثوث على اليوتوب، مختصر ما فيها أن الأئمة التقوا في موسم الحج في الحجة الأخيرة التي حجها الشيخ الألباني رحمه الله: أترككم مع القصة كما نشرت مكتوبة و أرسلت إلى ألوف البريد الإلكتروني و نشرت على عشرات المنتديات:
يقول محمد حسان:
الشيخ الألبانى -رحمهُ الله- ، و الشيخ بن باز -رحمهُ الله- ، و الشيخ بن عثيمين -رحمهُ الله- ، تصور حين يجتمعُ هؤلاء الثلاثة فى مجلسٍ واحد !!
و كانَ فى موسمِ حج ، و كانت هذه هى آخر سنةٍ حج فيها الشيخُ الألبانى - رحمهُ الله - ، و كانَ أميرُ الجلسة هو الشيخ بن باز ، و كانت الأسئلة تعرض فيتلقاها الشيخ -رحمهُ الله- فإن كان السؤال متعلقاً بأمرٍ فقهى أحاله للشيخِ بن عثيمين ، و إن كانَ متعلقاً بمسألةٍ حديثية أحالهُ الشيخ إلى الشيخ الألبانى ، و إن كانَ السؤال متعلقاً بمبحثاٍ من مباحثِ الإعتقاد أجابَ الشيخ بن باز .
و أنتظرنا من يصلى بنا الظهر - و كنا فى مٍنى - !؟
و إذ بالشيخ عبد العزيز - رحمهُ الله - يقول للشيخ الألبانى : تقدم يا أبا عبد الرحمن صلى بنا ، أنت إمامنا .
فيرد الشيخ الألبانى قائلاً : لا لا أنت شيخنا .
و إذ بالشيخ بن باز - رحمهُ الله - يقولُ له : كلنا فى القرآن سواء و أنت أعلمنا بحديثِ رسول الله ، تقدم يا أبا عبد الرحمن !!
و يتقدم الشيخ الألبانى ليؤمهم . . . و إذ بهِ يلتفتُ إلى الشيخِ بن باز و يقولُ له : يا شيخنا أصلى بالناس صلاةَ رسولِ اللهِ أم أخفف !!؟
فيرد عليه قائلاً : صلى بنا صلاةَ رسولِ الله ، علمنا يا شيخ كيفَ كان يصلى رسولُ الله !؟
انظروا إلى الأدب !!؟
ابن باز يقولَ للألبانى : علمنا يا شيخ !!
هذا هو الأدبُ بين العلماء . . . و هذهِ هى أخلاقُ العلماء ) انتهت
و سأختصر للإخوان ما قيل حول هذه القصة هناك:
القصة فيها من النكارة الشيء الكثير:
1- مثل هذه القصة لو وقعت فعلا لانتشرت و لذاع صيتها و لأشار إليها مترجمو و لو واحد من المشايخ الثلاث، فكيف لم يحكها سوى محمد حسان !؟
2- تقسيم الأسئلة و تعيين المجيب لم يكن من ديدن أحد من الأئمة الثلاث و لم يُعرف عن أحد منهم ذلك !
3- تقسيم الشيخ الألباني للصلاة إلى نبوية و خفيفة و موافقة ابن باز على ذلك فيه نظر كبير و لم يكن من هدي أحدهما ذلك.
هذا و قد نقل أحدهم هناك استنكار أحد مرافقي الشيخ ابن باز في حجاته لمثل هذه القصة !
و المطلوب:
أرجو ممن كان قريبا من الشيخ الألباني و خاصة في حجته الأخيرة أن يفيدنا في هذا الموضوع و جزاكم الله خيرا

The Difference Between General And Specific Tabdee

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Abdus-Salaam Bin Burjis – The Difference Between General And Specific Tabdee’ (Declaring Someone To Be An Innovator)
The second point that we will speak about is the term “ahlul-bid’ah” (the people of innovation); there is a difference between general tabdee’ and specific tabdee’.
An example of general tabdee’ is if we said: “whoever say ‘my pronunciation of the Qur’aan (when I recite it*) is created’ then he is an innovator (mubtadi’).” This is tabdee’ generally.
As for an example of specific tabdee’, then if we said: ” such and such, the son of such and such said such and such so he is an innovator.“
The difference between the two expressions is that there is nothing wrong with general tabdee’, nor is it dangerous to say: “whoever says such and such innovation is an innovator” without pinpointing the individual – this is general tabdee’. As for specific tabdee’, then this is different to the general in it being a forbidden initially; so it is impermissible for us to pinpoint an individual and say “this person is an innovator completely until the proof has been established upon him. If the proof is established on him and he rejects it then now it becomes permissible for us (i.e. the scholars who are grounded*) to identify him with the name of the innovators – and this is the ruling for the specific because perhaps in the first instance he was someone who was making an interpretation, or maybe he was ignorant, so if he is informed and he is stubborn and rejects and it is known that he is pleased with these innovations then only now is it permissible to declare him to be an innovator.
And the speech regarding pinpointing – whether it be in takfeer (declaring someone to be a disbeliever), tabdee’, or tafseeq (declaring someone to be an evil doer) – is very extensive and Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah (may Allaah have mercy upon them) have extended speech on this topic and exhausted lengthy and detailed research about it, however I will bring an example of something that is less than tabdee’ in the field of pinpointing. That is that the prophet - cursed the one who drinks alcohol (generally) and this is well known and established. Despite that, when Abdullaah Ibn Himaar (may Allaah have mercy upon him) was brought to him and he used to drink alcohol, some of the companions(may Allaah have mercy upon them) said: “May Allaah curse him, how frequently has he been brought to you with this!”. The prophet - became angry upon hearing this and he replied “do not curse him because indeed he loves Allaah and His messenger.“
So the prophet - cursed the drinker of alcohol generally but he prohibited us from pinpointing.
So that which results from this is that pinpointing (individuals) in the declaration of tabdee’ is prohibited until the proof has been established upon him and if the proof is established and he is stubborn and rejects it, then it now becomes permissible in the religion to place the term of “innovation” on him.
Source: al-Jarah wat-Ta’deel, pp, 49 – 51
Translator: Aboo Eeman Zakariyya Naadirah Brown
From: https://www.facebook.com/salafiyyah.london.16/posts/1569790586589574

Imaam Malik’s Response to the Hatred of the Companions

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Imaam Malik’s Response to the Hatred of the Companions

A man once came to Imaam Maalik and said: “I hate so and so,” and mentioned some of the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him).
Imaam Maalik quoted, in reply, the following verses:

8. For the poor emigrants, who were expelled from their homes and their property, seeking Bounties from Allâh and to please Him. and helping Allâh (i.e. helping his religion) and his Messenger such are indeed the truthful - [Al-Qur’aan 59:8]

Imaam Maalik asked that person, “Are you one of these people [mentioned in this verse]?”
“No,” the man replied.

Then Imaam Maalik recited another verse:
9. and those Who, before them, had homes (in Al-Madinah) and had adopted the Faith, love those who emigrate to them, and have no jealousy In their breasts for that which they have been given (from the booty of Banî An-Nadîr), and give them (emigrants) preference over themselves, even though they were In need of that. and Whosoever is saved from his own covetousness, such are they who will be the successful. [Al-Qur’aan 59:9]

Imaam Maalik asked that person, “Are you one of these people [mentioned in this verse]?”
“No,” the man replied.

Then Imaam Maalik recited another verse:
10. and those who came after them say: "Our Lord! forgive us and Our brethren who have preceded us In Faith, and put not In Our hearts any Hatred against those who have believed. Our Lord! You are indeed full of kindness, Most Merciful. [Al-Qur’aan 59:10]

“Are you one of these people [mentioned in this verse]?” Imaam Maalik asked.
“I hope so,” the man replied.
“You are not, if you curse one of the formers,” Imaam Maalik said.

A similar debate is attributed to Ali ibnul-Husayn Ibn Ali Ibn Abu taalib, related by Al-Arbilee in his Kashful-Ghummah, p. 2:78